Flush Mount MR16 Fixture

[Illuminator]

I need some help. I'm in need of a quality, but not super high-end, flush mounted mr16 well light. The customer wants the light to be as low profile as possible (not much sticking up above the surface), and the light is to be recessed into brick pavers. The problem is that the pavers were laid around a 4" stub up pipe. This pipe is removeable, which will leave a 4.5" hole.
Does anyone know of a quality MR16 fixture that will fit into this opening. I was hoping to find a fixture that was flanged so that the opening of the hole would be covered up. Any advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Chris J.

[sitelights]

Look at "Vista's new inground vs Hadco IL516" in the Product Review Forum. The 5272 is now a composite and the lens is mated with an O-ring and a 5 bolt cover. The new mold shape can be seen in the review of the LED version which didn't impress me.

We have placed 10 of the MR type in a core drilled brick patio. The first cut was 4.5" dia x .5" deep and then center drilled 4" x 8" to allow the fixture flange to rest on the shoulder of the hole with the cover flush with the bricks. The 5272 is about 4.5" dia. and the flange is the .5' making the body about 4". The application I refer to had holes deep enough to use gravel fill for drainage; a must for all ingrounds. We siliconed the 5272 into the opening (GE II) but the top can be easily removed for re-lamping.

This inground has a stainless steel gimbal and the lamp can be tipped about 15 degrees. Vista states 25 degrees but that puts half of the MR face behind the edge of the fixture. Check the manufacturer's specs to confirm dimensions. We now use only the 5272 and the 5271 which is identical except for a shroud 180 degrees around the lens and about 1.5" high. www.vistapro.com

[Eden Lights]

When a budget is in place, which is all the time it's hard to beat the 5270 series of fixtures from Vista.

[Illuminator]

With the shoulder mount you refer to with the 5272, won't this leave the top portion of the fixture raised up above the finish grade of the pavers about 1"? I have some of these fixtures in stock, and I will look at them again tonight. I was hoping to have a final finish grade of no more than 1/8"-1/4" above the plain of the pavers.
Thanks for the input guys. Let me know if you can think of any more manufacturers to look at.

[sitelights]

Perhaps the second paragraph of my post was unclear. The 4" dia. core cut was made inside and centered on the 4.5"dia initial cut which was made to depth of about .5"; the section view of the hole and the profile of the fixture were about the same.

The 4" dia. body was placed in the hole and its shoulder seated on bottom of the 4.5"dia. initial cut; the hole was "stepped". I gave a 5272 to the mason and he configured the holes to fit the 5272 so that the top of the cover/lens was very slightly above the top of the hole to encourage run-off.

The mason worked from the fixture not a set of dimensions; the dimensions I gave in my post were approximate since I never gave measurements. The space below the fixture (the 4' dia. cut was deeper than the 5272) allowed us to complete the installation using a combination of stone dust and fine gravel sufficient to "bed" the fixture and provide for drainage.

You will note that I removed the quote which is unnecessary when the posts are "stacked"; one can usually see the original and the response on the same page without duplication.

[Illuminator]

Thanks for the response. I'll try to remember not to use the quote feature anymore.

[Mike M]

I'll try to remember not to use the quote feature anymore

Just seeing if sitelights has a sense of humor.

Chris, you had me this very night trying out some stake lights where I have put in "sewer pipes" at my own home, near my daughter's basketball goal. I was wondering if I should have gone with the vista MR16 wells as a compromise.

Mike

[sitelights]

Read through the posts in the Transformer Forum "need low voltage demonstration display kit" and find my 02.10.07 post "landscape demo kit".

[LowVoltPro]

Unique Lighting Systems has a fixture called the Nova. Look at it, it It's body is about 2.75" in diameter and has a flanged lip that is 4" wide. Overall height is also around 4". It is solid brass and utilizes an Ushio 20w BAB lamp. Lifetime warranty as well and comes with multiple designer lenses. I use them alot, they look great corred into concrete.

[sitelights]

The Nova has a shroud to trip over. I fail to see the usefulness of a Nova in this application. Without a gimbal the MR beam is straight up. Unless light is reflecting off of something it isn't lighting anything; what would the Nova light? Fog? In the application for which it was intended the Nova is actually an indicator light rather than a projector. Look at "paver lights 12v" in the Fixtures Forum for an example of "indicator lights". The post appears on the 2nd page.

[LowVoltPro]

The Nova does have a shroud, 2 of them actually. An angle cut shroud, that would be the one you are reffering too, and a flat shroud for recessed applications. It is recessed MR-16 well light that is designed for uplighting, not just FOG sitelites. It comes with multile lenses for spreading, softening , and narrowing beams and also includes a hex baffle fro reducing glare. It comes with a 5" long 3" diameter piece of ABS to use as a sleeve as well. I recess them completely flush by using a 21/2" carbide core bit and dry 1/2" router bit to rout out the lip when I want the lip to also recess. Look ata the new version sitelites, it also comes fully potted just incase the hole its in becomes a little puddle.

[LowVoltPro]

I am sorry Sitelites, I did not see in the origional post the need for an projector light?? He was asking for a mr-16 well light with a lip to fit in a 4" diameter sleeve pipe. It was only my suggestion

[Illuminator]

I'll try to remember not to use the quote feature anymore

Just seeing if sitelights has a sense of humor.

Chris, you had me this very night trying out some stake lights where I have put in "sewer pipes" at my own home, near my daughter's basketball goal. I was wondering if I should have gone with the vista MR16 wells as a compromise.

Mike

Mike,
Around a basket ball court, I would think the par36 well would be your very last resort for your application because it will get knocked over all the time by the kids at play. Even with the stake mounted lights, you are probably still going to have problems even though it's going to take a little more of a jolt to knock them down. I would say you are correct. The MR16 flush mounted well lights might very well be your best choice in this situation. The only problem that I can think of, however, is the glare for the b-ball players near the light source. These lights do come with a shielded option as well though.

[Mike M]

(Thank God for the un-timed edit feature.)

[Illuminator]

Is this the "show off your grammar skills" web site? Mike, you do what ever it is you want to do. I don't know how the post is redundant. You asked a question, and I tried to give you an answer to the best of my ability. On the other site, you seem to have a very different attitude. Here, you are trying to embarrass me?
Good luck pal.

[Illuminator]

Just so you will know, Mike, the above mentioned post is referencing three different types of fixtures: 1) Par36 above ground Well light 2) MR16 Bullet with ground mounted stake and 3) MR16 Flush mounted well such as the Vista 5272. Not redundant.

[Mike M]

Mr. J.,

I re-read the post and was wondering what I was talking about. I included many disclaimers recently about having nothing better to do with my time, so please don't take me too seriously. I think you make good points about using Vista MR16 wells. The MR16's have better bulb variety (PAR 20's are known for having problems), the Kichler PAR 36 that I have has horribly exposed connections, and as you mention, a fully recessed housing would be less exposed to incidental human contact than the raised well.

I will try limit my posts to mostly questions and step aside to allow the pro's to respond with experience and insight.

Thanks,

Mike M